Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:08:46 +0000 From: schlauer@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com Message-Id: <aabcdefg1427$foo@default> Subject: Re: Oldest CP?
Dear Jason & DAVION,
> All this talk of earth ages has me wondering, does anyone have a plausible
> idea of what would be the "oldest" CP in the world? Somewhere I seem to
> recall that some form of Aldrovanda might be the progenitor of the CPs we
> have today but I'd really like to know.
First of all, there is not a *single* progenitor of *all* recent cps. 
Cps are derived from at least four *different* lines of flowering 
plants. This is very well supported by genetical and phytochemical 
evidence, so we do not have to rely solely on morphological 
characteristics (which alone would already be sufficient to document 
the differences, however).
The oldest known cp fossil (if the attribution is correct!) is a seed 
of a possible _Aldrovanda_ progenitor from the Czech Upper 
Cretaceous. Nobody can tell how the corresponding plant did look like 
or if it was already carnivorous.
> Is there some place scientists can identify as the fountainhead of 
> CPs?
Definitely not. The polyphyletic nature of cps quite naturally 
necessitates several different places of origin. Migrations and 
possibly some cases of long distance dispersal have further covered 
the tracks.
> Is there any particular single species
> that gave rise to all others?
Definitely not. Of course, flowering plants are assumed to be 
monophyletic, and their common progenitor would also be ancestral to 
cps, but many lines of non-cps are interposed.
> What is the "Lucy" of CPs?
There is none.
> How old are they?
A good question. Most cp origins can only be guessed.
The most primitive cp line is possibly Nepenthales (incl. 
Droseraceae, Nepenthaceae, Drosophyllaceae, and Dioncophyllaceae). 
The order belongs to Caryophyllidae, a subclass that occupies a not 
fully understood position within the dicotyledons (it seems to be 
quite remote from all the most primitive subclasses as well as from 
Rosidae or Asteridae). The oldest fossil representative is the 
already mentioned _Aldrovanda_ progenitor. The origins of the family 
Droseraceae that may have contained many more genera than nowadays 
cannot be located without doubt. _Aldrovanda_ is probably an 
originally Eurasian element, but at the early times of its 
origination, Eurasia was connected to North America, where the genus 
has never been recorded. So it perhaps occupied only the Eastern half 
of Laurasia during the Cretaceous. The oldest known (=assumed) 
_Dionaea_ ancestor fossils are from the European Tertiary, and the 
genus is quite probably much older, so it may have occupied a range 
from its recent area of distribution to the east, including parts of 
what is now Europe (the Atlantic was much narrower in the Cretaceous, 
and the climate was at least for some periods of time warmer than 
nowadays). Perhaps _Dionaea_ (the most archaic genus in Droseraceae) 
is an early western side line developed from some early _Aldrovanda_ 
species (_A._ consisted of several species in earlier times). 
_Drosera_ appears to be a modern line of Gondwanan origin. This does 
not fit the recent preferences of _Aldrovanda_ or _Dionaea_ well, and 
it shows that the family must have reached the southern hemisphere 
until Early Tertiary (there are Tertiary _Drosera_ pollen fossils 
from Africa, Australia, and India). All recent lineages of _Drosera_ 
do have representatives on the southern hemisphere, and SW Australia 
and the Cape region of S Africa are (possibly secondary) centres of 
recent diversity.
_Nepenthes_ appears in the fossil record of the Tertiary. The genus 
was reported from its recent places of distribution (India, 
Indonesia) plus some intriguing finds from the Kerguelen islands in 
the S Indian Ocean. These records hint at a likewise Gondwanan origin 
of the genus. Fossil pollen from the European Tertiary attributed to 
_Nepenthes_ may indicate a formerly more expanded global range of the 
genus, but the attribution may be wrong, and the genus did  most 
probably not originate here (otherwise it could not be explained why 
it is missing in Africa, where the following lines are richly 
represented). There is no good reason to assume that _Nepenthes_ was 
not predominantly E Gondwanan/SE Asian since its earliest beginnings.
_Drosophyllum_ (Drosophyllaceae) occupies a typically relict range in 
SW Europe and NW Africa. Its closest recent relatives 
(Dioncophyllaceae, Ancistrocladaceae) occur in tropical W Africa, and 
the separation of the lines may have been completed by the extension 
of the Sahara, in which neither of these plants can survive. The 
origins of all three families are obscure, but it can be supposed 
that they are all old (perhaps existing since Cretaceous, probably 
originated in C Gondwana but quite curiously not represented in S 
America).
Cephalotaceae hold a completely surprising, isolated phylogenetical 
position (from genetical investigations apparently most closely 
related to Cunoniaceae, Elaeocarpaceae, and Oxalidaceae, neither of 
which bears any close resemblance to _Cephalotus_, indicating a very 
early split from the common ancestor). No old fossils of the genus 
are known, and this narrow SW Australian endemic is the greatest cp 
enigma of all with respect to its evolution. The attribution to 
Saxifragales s. lat. is probably wrong (Saxifragales, even after 
inclusion of Hamamelidaceae and Paeoniaceae, do not include the clade 
with _Cephalotus_), but a prae-Rosid position is likely.
Sarraceniaceae are (AFAIK) not represented in the fossil record. From 
their recent distribution an American origin is quite certain. 
Genetical investigations place _Darlingtonia_ at the base of the 
family, while almost all morphological and ecological data support 
_Heliamphora_ as the most primitive genus. Interestingly, the most 
closely related family seems to be Roridulaceae, and both are members 
of an extended Ericid clade including Ericales, Theales and 
Primulales as the characteristic orders. The disjunction between 
Sarraceniaceae and Roridulaceae (together with the huge differences 
in morphology) suggest an old age here as well, but the sympetalous 
Ericidae appear to be younger than Caryophyllidae and Rosidae, so a 
Tertiary origin cannot be excluded although at this time the Atlantic 
Ocean must already have been effective as a barrier to dispersal 
(which makes the distribution of Sarraceniaceae in America and 
Roridulaceae in S Africa more difficult to explain by simple 
migration).
All remaining cps (Byblidaceae and Lentibulariaceae, and even the sub-
carnivorous Martyniaceae) belong to Scrophulariales, an Asterid order 
that cannot be much older than Palaeocene (Early Tertiary). Both 
Lentibulariaceae and Martyniaceae evidently have a tropical
American origin (most genera, subgenera, sections and species, 
several of which endemic, are known from C America and N S America). 
Several lines of secondary diversification outside America (e.g. 
in Africa, tropical Asia, or Australia) are known in _Utricularia_ and 
to a much reduced degree in _Pinguicula_ (Europe). Long distance 
dispersal (from S America to W Africa and to Australia in 
_Utricularia_, from N America to Europe in _Pinguicula_) did probably 
occur several times in Lentibulariaceae.
_Byblis_ is apparently the most primitive Scrophularialean cp. It is 
restricted to Australia and New Guinea, and its closest relatives are 
unknown (it can only generally be placed in Scrophulariales with 
some certainty, but the relationships within this order can so far 
not be resolved with genetical or phytochemical, nor with 
morphological methods). Age and place of origin are unknown but 
possibly Byblidaceae are as old as the oldest Scrophulariales and 
originally from Australia or SE Asia, not close nor directly ancestral 
to Lentibulariaceae or Martyniaceae.
> What period did they come from? 
See above.
> Are there any back issues of the newsletter that mention this?
There was a series of papers in CPN by Dr. Degreef that summarized 
the knowledge up to that date (early 1990's). In the meanwhile many 
new data have been obtained from genetical, phytochemical, and 
palaeontological investigations, and somewhat more precise hypotheses 
can be formulated. I do intend to write a short review for CPN on this 
topic.
> If I've learnt correctly from that recent posting on Chromosome
> counts by Ivan Snyder, ought not the oldest CP to lie with those
> species having the smallest number of chromosomes?
Not exactly. This only applies to polyploid series (e.g. the 
representatives of _Pinguicula sect. Pinguicula_ in Europe). Within 
such a series polyphyletic speciation (hybridization of two 
different lines) can lead to chromosome doubling, so the species with 
maximum n in x*2^n (x=chromosome base number, n integer) can only be 
of later origin than the parent species. However, hybridization of 
two lines with different ploidy can lead to intermediate counts, and 
the resulting hybrids are younger than both the line with the lower 
count and the line with the higher count (a hybrid between a plant 
with 2n=32 and a plant with 2n=16 will have 2n=24, which is lower 
than 32 and the hybrid is younger than the parent). Furthermore, 
intermediate counts can be caused by different events: 2n=48 can be 
caused by chromosome doubling in plants with 2n=24 or by 
hybridization between two plants with 2n=32 and 2n=64, respectively.
In the mentioned section, _P. corsica_ and _P. nevadensis_ are the 
species with the lowest count (2n=16), the common ancestor may be _P. 
villosa_, which has likewise 2n=16 chromosomes.
> What is this lowest number?
2n=6 (in some strains of _Drosera paleacea_).  But this does not mean
anything in terms of evolution.  Bryastrum (pygmy sundews) is a subgenus
characterized by diffused centromeric chromosomal organization.  This
makes chromosome loss, fusion, and fragmentation more likely than in
plants with localized centromeres.  While most lineages within _Drosera_
have a base number of x=10, chromosome numbers of 2n= 6, 7,.  8, 10, 12,
14, 17, 18, 20, 28, 32, and 64 (the last two counts are only known from
the also geographically disjunct species _D.  pygmaea_) have been found
in Bryastrum alone.  The second most diverse group, subgen.  Ergaleium
(cormous sundews) likewise displays a great multitude of counts:14, 20,
24, 26, 28, 30, 32, 40, not necessarily indicating any evolutionary
series.  Thus unfortunately, chromosome numbers are not suitable for
phylogenetic considerations in Australian _Drosera_, where most of the
recent diversification in the genus has occurred. 
The most archaic species of _Drosera_, _D. regia_, has 2n=34.
_Aldrovanda_: 2n=48, _Dionaea_: 2n=32.
All investigated species of _Nepenthes_: 2n=80.
_Drosophyllum_: 2n=12; _Triphyophyllum_: 2n=24, 36.
_Cephalotus_: 2n=20.
_Sarracenia_: 2n=26, _Darlingtonia_: 2n=30, _Heliamphora_: 2n=42 
(not correlated to any other trend!); _Roridula_: 2n=12 (possibly 
ancestral?).
_Byblis_: 2n=14, 24, 32.
_Pinguicula_: 2n=12 in _P. lusitanica_, which is also possibly the 
most primitive species (its closest relatives are all from N America, 
and _P. sharpii_ does also have a low chromosome count of 2n=16).
_Utricularia_ is not well surveyed, but the assumedly primitive 
species (_U. scandens_, _U. polygaloides_, both belonging to sect. 
Oligocista) do have 2n=14 chromosomes, the lowest known count in the 
genus, followed by likewise primitive species (_U. uliginosa_, _U. 
minutissima_, Oligocista, Australes) with 2n=16 chromosomes. A larger 
number of lineages has 2n=18 chromosomes, and most species do have 
at least 2n=20.
Kind regards
Jan
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