ALL RED PETIOLED VFT

plant@slsa.sa.gov.au
Tue, 2 Aug 94 18:19:47 CST

Australian Time)
Red Petioled"
Dionaeas and P.V.R. - Part II, The Saga Continues ...

Dear All,
Please find transmitted a copy of our Official Objection
Letter that accompanied our Official Objection to Plant Variety
Rights Application: "Royal Red", 069/93 being sought by Mr.
Geoffrey Mansell of Gin Gin, Queensland, Australia. You
should also find the Official Reply from the Plant Variety Rights
Office followed by our recent response. This should then be
accompanied by verbatim copies of further supporting evidence
contained in Appendix A of our reply which has been acquired
since lodgement of our Official Objection circa late May 1994.

Copies of the above and some of the supporting evidence from
our Official Objection made in late May is on its way to most of
the Carnivorous Plant Societies Worldwide by Snail Mail as
well as all those 25 or so presently involved in the Objection. If
you would like colour photocopies of the supporting
photographic evidence I can supply it at the going rate here in
Australia of $4.00 (Austr.) and for this you will recieve a colour
photocopy containing three 6 * 4 reproductions of the
photographs held here as evidence in the case (There are 18 so
far if you want to request them all). One International reply
Coupon ought to cover the cost of an A4 envelope and postage
to anywhere in the world. Copies of the relevant E-Mail/Internet
correspondence submitted as evidence will cost $5.50 (Austr.)
and 3 International Reply Coupons ought to cover the postage.
A copy of the Oostings and Roberts paper on the Ecology of
Dionaea will cost $2.50 (Austr.) and again postage will be
covered by 2 I.R.Cs..

I don't as yet know if I shall be reopening another monthly
Electronic Mailbox out of the State Library of South Australia's
Bizline Service for this will depend on the amount of mailflow
generated by the following correspondence by my old
subscription code was as some of you will remember it was:

plant@slsa.sa.gov.au

If this fails you ought to at least get through to Michael Talbot
or Marty Williams of "Bizline" via at least one or both of the
following codes.

plant@ferrari.slsa.sa.gov.au OR

michaelt@slsa.sa.gov.au

Anyway good luck and happy reading of the following
transmissions

Yours faithfully,

Richard Davion (TilbrooKe)

TRANS.

Richard Davion (Tilbrooke)
PVRFINAL
GPO Box 248
ADELAIDE SA 5001

The 26th. of May 1994

The Registrar
Plant Variety Rights Office
Bureau of Rural Science
GPO Box 858
CANBERRA ACT 2601

Dear Sir or Madam,

OBJECTION TO PVR LICENCE 069/93 "ROYAL RED"

Please find enclosed documentation compiled over the last
eleven weeks in regard to our objection to Plant Variety Rights
being granted on any of the so called "All Red Petioled" Venus
Fly Trap (Dionaea muscipula) "varieties" within Australia and
overseas. We hope to show through documentation supplied that
this also includes tha plant offered for P.V.R. ratification by Mr.
Geoffrey Mansell of Gin Gin, Queensland - P.V.R. Provisional
Protection No. 069/93 "Royal Red" and possibly "Seedling No.
1" that might be offered for Provisional Protection by Mr.
Geoffrey Roberts formerly of G. & G. Carnivors, Gin Gin,
Queensland in the near future, since he has already inquired as
to the availability of material for comparative trials through
your office.

Please find enclosed photocopies of most of the E-Mail/Internet
correspondence in regard to this matter to date, photocopies of
letters I have sent out in regard to this matter, photocopies of
completed Statutory Declaration replies by various fellow C.P.
enthusiasts - namely David Bond, Ken Harper, Robert Gibson
and Mr. T.J.J. De Groot, letters of objection by Colin Clayton
and Thomas Kane Hayes, a number of photocopies of
International C.P. Journals and newsletters going back to 1986
and a number of colour photocopies for comparison between the
current varieties of Dionaea commonly being grown around the
world and some of the "All Red Petioled" plants in other
collections.

By the evidence enclosed we hope to show that Mr. Geoffrey
Mansell's plants offered for Provisional Protection under the
1987 Plant Variety Rights Act are derived from seed imported
by a Mr. Stephen Jackson in the early 1980s. We are unable to
narrow the time of importation down any further than
1982/1983 since the Melbourne Quarantine Office only keeps
records for seven years and also we have been unable to trace
Mr. Jackson's whereabouts precisely though he is reputedly
residing on Bathurst Island off of Darwin in the Northern
Territory.

We presently believe that under the act Mr. Geoffrey Mansell's
application does not satisfy sections:
14 (a) - PREVIOUS SALE IN AUSTRALIA

Mr. Colin Clayton of "Dingley Home & Garden" has sold a
number of "All Red Petioled" varieties for a number of years
now and his current price list is included. Seed of a "Red Form"
was being offered by Mr. Allen Lowrie of Western Australia as
far back as 1990 before terminology for these varieties had
stabilised (see included seed list supplied by Mr. Ken Harper).

14 (b) - PREVIOUS SALE OVERSEAS

Seed of various "All Red Petioled" varieties has been sold by the
British Carnivorous Plant Society on a regular basis as far back
as 1991 - see enclosed photocopies; although it is believed that
seed was offered for sale soon after the 1986 article appeared in
their spring journal, Mr. Alistair Culham is looking into this
matter for us though not in time for this objection but further
evidence may be included as part of an Addendum that may
follow in a few weeks.
Plants have been sold by Mr. Peter D'Amato of "California
Carnivors" (Mr. Colin Clayton saw these last year during his
trip to California) and by Mr. John Pietropaulo of "Peter Pauls
Nursery" in New York State.

16 (b) - ORIGINAL BREEDER

We do not believe that Mr. Geoffrey Mansell is the original
breeder of his plants under Provisional Protection. I have been
able with the help of all those people on the telephone and
address list, (apart from Ron Dieteman and Fred Howell) to
construct a chain of evidence flow diagram that shows a
connection between the original import of seed made by Mr.
Stephen Jackson in the early 1980s and the plants offered for
P.V.R. ratification by Mr. Mansell. The flow charts also show
that the plants derived from Mr. Ian English are, as attested in a
number of the Statutory Declarations, phenotypically different
and since they are derived from a chance seedling, are
genetically different from those grown by Mr. Mansell. We have
it on good authority from Laurence Ritter (close friend of
Stephen Jackson within the Victorian C.P. Society) that the
original import of seed came from America either as
"Atrorubeus", "Atrorubus" or just "Rubeus" or "Rubus" though
his memory has faded after more than ten years.

16 (e) - STABILITY OF CHARACTERISTICS

The particular characteristics of all of the known "All Red
Petioled" varieties only seem to be stable if certain
environmental and nutritional factors are met (please see
Statutory Declaration made by Mr. T.J.J. De Groot). I have
conducted my own experiments on "Normal" Dionaea plants
here in Australia and have found that high charcoal-ratio soil
mixes seem to induce colouration whenever it is genetically
possible i.e. it will have no effect on true "Albino" plants. I
believe that the charcoal is acting as a non-specific chelating
agent and maybe acting like a sponge in "mopping-up"
nitrite/nitrate anions in the soil mix which could be initiating
the colour response.

16 (f) - MANNER OF BREEDING

We feel that the use of basic tissue culture techniques to
germinate seed cannot be classed as a breeding program but is
simply a maintenance of the gene pool to which this variety and
others belong.

16 (j) - BREEDING PROGRAM

"Chance seedlings" of similar varieties have been documented
from interstate and overseas and even from the wild (Thomas
Kane Hayes - see enclosed facsimile and colour photocopies).
This suggests that there are at least three maybe four (De Groot,
Holland) natural allelic forms on the basic "All Red Petioled"
theme at least one of which has been documented as occurring
in a wild population (Thomas Kane Hayes). Evidence of a
scientific breeding program (including F1/F2 backcrosses) is
needed to establish whether or not Mr. Mansell has produced a
"true" double recessive varient. Since Dionaea takes
approximately two years under natural conditions to reach
maturity (paper on the ecology of the venus fly trap -
"Responses Of Venus Fly Trap (Dionaea muscipula) To Factors
Involved in its Endemism" by Patricia R. Roberts and Henry J.
Oosting published April 1958 in Ecological Monographs - Vol.
28, No. 2, pp 193-217) Mr. Mansell ought to be able to show at
least four years of a planned breeding program to establish his
"Royal Red" variety.

20 (1) - COMMERCIAL INTERESTS

Granting of full P.V.R. (or future Plant Breeders' Rights) on Mr.
Mansells "Royal Red" variety will affect the commercial
interests of Mr. Colin Clayton (see included letter of objection
from Mr. Clayton) in Victoria, Mr. Fred Howell in South
Australia and Mr. Allen Lowrie in Western Australia. It will
also have repercussions internationally - affecting the businesses
of Mr. T.J.J. de Groot of "Cresco" in Holland, Mr. John
Pietropaulo of "Peter Pauls Nursery" in New York State and Mr.
Peter D'Amato of "California Carnivors" in America and
possibly affect the operation of the seedbanks of many of the
International Carnivorous Plant Societies as well as the
Australian Societies.

26 (1) (a) (ii) - PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED VARIETIES

As is displayed by the chain of evidence flow diagrams the
plants offered for P.V.R. ratification by Mr. Geoffrey Mansell of
Gin Gin, Queensland can be traced back to an original import
through the Melbourne Quarantine Office in the early 1980s.
The variety therefore is not a new one.
The existence of "All Red Petioled" varieties has been a matter
of common knowledge since the publication of the British
Carnivorous Plant Society's Journal, Spring 1986, Vol. 10
(please see included photocopy). This was where I first learnt of
the existence of a "Purple Flytrap" as it was called back then
and so too did Ken Harper (see included Statutory Declaration).
There was also a photograph published in the Victorian
Carnivorous Plant Society Journal, Volume 7, No. 4 that came
out in December 1990. The photograph is a "Bromide"
reproduction of Stephen Baggs' original colour photograph, of
his plant that he obtained from Mr. Laurence Ritter, a copy of
which he has promised to send to me and will probably be
included in the Addendum. The article in this journal by the late
Eddie Piliciauskas mentions the plant in some detail and it is
this plant along with others in Victoria that can be traced to Mr.
Mansell and to the original import by Mr. Jackson.

We also believe that under section 35 (1) (a) if the Registrar
had known of the included evidence which has been
subsequently provided, Provisional Protection would not have
been granted to Mr. Geoffrey Mansell's 069/93 "Royal Red"
P.V.R. application.

Also if the application had been published in the appropiate
forum i.e. any of the Australian Carnivorous Plant Societies'
Journals or Bulletins, Mr. Geoffrey Mansell's application could
have been vetted by a group of his peers and he would then have
been informed of the pre-existence of "His" and other "All Red
Petioled" varieties within Australia and overeseas.

We would prefer that the Registrar allow Mr. Mansell
appropiate time to withdraw his application under section 25 (1)
of the act in accordance with the evidence so submitted;
otherwise we would like the Registrar to act, on the evidence
provided, by revoking the Provisional Protection so far granted
to Mr. Mansell, under section 35 and recommend that no
penalty be awarded to him since we believe that Mr. Mansell
was not in receipt of either the British or the Victorian
Carnivorous Plant Society Journals and had no access to any of
the Australian Societies' libraries and therefore was totally
unaware of the pre-existence of "His" and other "All Red
Petioled" varieties in Australia and overseas. We also do not
wish to appear vindictive but prefer to give the benefit of the
doubt and feel that further action would detract from the essence
of the argument and the spirit of Carnivorous Plant Hobbiests
and Professionals worldwide.

A photocopy of Australian Money Order No. 97521095 79 for
the sum of $200 Australian has been included. The Money
Order has been made out to "The Collector of Public Monies"
and posted to the following address by Certified mail.

Plant Variety Rights Office
DPIE
GPO Box 858
CANBERRA ACT 2601

Also a comprehensive telephone and address list has been
included to help you reach a rapid conclusion to this matter. We
trust that you will retain the confidentiality of telephone
numbers and addresses of those involved in the objection during
and after the course of your investigation.

Finally in summary we believe:

(1) Mr. Geoffrey Mansell is not the originator of this variety.

(2) Similar varieties occur in the wild.

(3) Similar varieties have previously been offered for sale both
in Australia
and overseas.

(4) The "All Red Petioled" varieties are not entirely stable.
Maintenance of
uniform colouration is due in part to environmental factors.

I hope the enclosed evidence draws this matter to a speedy
conclusion.

Yours faithfully,

RICHARD DAVION (TILBROOKE)

ENCS.

PLANT VARIETY RIGHTS OFFICE

93/069/ROYAL074.HLL

Richard Davion (Tilbrooke)
GPO Box 248
ADELAIDE SA 5001

Dear Mr Davion (Tilbrooke)

OBJECTION TO DIONAEA "ROYAL RED": APPLICATION
NO. 93/069

The PVR Office recieved your objection under section 20 of the
Plant Variety Rights Act 1987 ("the Act") to the grant of plant
variety rights to Dionaea muscipula variety "Royal Red". In
terms of the Act, I provided the applicant with a copy of the
objection and supporting documents. A reply to your claims has
been recieved from the applicant. In his reply, Mr Mansell states
that you have no commercial interest which would be affected
by the granting of rights to Mr Mansell. Under Section 20 (1)
(a), you are eligible to make an objection if you consider that
your commercial interests would be affected by the granting of
rights to Mr Mansell.

Nevertheless this office is considering your claim that Dionaea
"Royal Red" is not a new variety. To be deemed "new", a variety
must be distinct (different) from all other varieties of common
knowledge in existence at the time of lodging the application.

Mr Mansell states that you may have misunderstood what is
meant by the term "all red", believing this to be a reference to a
green plant with red traps. The photograph which appeared in
the June issue of Plant Varieties Journal volume 7 should clear
up any misunderstanding. In effect Mr Mansell is claiming that
at the time of lodging the application for "Royal Red" there were
no other fully red varieties of Dionaea of common knowledge.

If you wish to proceed with the objection you have an
opportunity to make a further submission.

Should this office not recieve further comment from you within
30 days, I will proceed to make a decision on the information
already provided by you and the applicant.

Yours sincerely

Mick Lloyd
Registrar of Plant Variety Rights

6 July 1994

Department of Primary Industries and Energy, GPO Box 858
Canberra 2601. Australia. Telephone: 06 272 4228; Fax: 06
272 3650
Richard Davion (Tilbrooke)
ML26JLY
GPO Box 248
ADELAIDE SA 5001

TEL.: 0011 61 [0]8 2705878

Tuesday the 26th. of July 1994

Dr. Mick Lloyd
Registrar of Plant Variety Rights
Plant Variety Rights Office
Department of Primary Industries & Energy
GPO Box 858
CANBERRA ACT 2601

Dear Dr. Lloyd,
Thank you for your letter dated Wednesday the 6th. of
July. I have sent copies to all those involved in the objection as
well as the major Carnivorous Plant Societies which includes
the E-Mail/Internet Carnivorous Plant Discussion group.

I trust that your transmission of the supporting documents from
our objection to Mr. Mansell included copies of the many
colour photocopies we submitted.

In reply I would just like begin by stating that we do wish your
office to proceed with the objection and have included further
submissions, from Mr. Steven Clemesha - Australian authority
on the Genus Sarracenia, Ron Gagliardo - Co-curator of the
Carnivorous Plant collection at Atlanta Botanical Garden,
Georgia, U.S.A., John (Jim) Pietropaulo - proprietor of Peter
Pauls Nurseries, Canandaigua, New York State, U.S.A. and a
Statutory Declaration from Mr. Stephen Jackson - Department
of Justice & Attorney-General Registration No. 5792.
These submissions along with a comprehensive address list may
be found in Appendix A attached to this reply.

Mr. Mansell is correct in stating that I have no commercial
interests that would be affected by a grant of Plant Variety
Rights to Mr. Mansell's "Royal Red" variety although I possess
a copy of a letter sent to your office from Mr. Colin Clayton
stating that his commercial interests would be affected by such a
grant of rights to Mr. Mansell. I feel that my lack of commercial
interests ought to add weight to the objection.

I do not believe that I have misunderstood the term "All Red"
although there has been some confusion within the Carnivorous
Plant Community over the term "All Red" and it was for this
reason that we decided to use the phrase "All Red Petioled" to
distinguish the three or possibly four varieties in existence
today. This is still not an accurate terminology and a more
precise term has yet to be coined for these varieties.

The difficulty lies with the degree of colouration and its location
upon plant parts; though it is quite clear that the varieties must
have some degree of pigmentation on their petioles at all times
before they can be classified as belonging to the "All Red
Petioled" category. This distinction classifies these plants as
being different from the "Normal" varieties and even the
"Banded" form since none of the "Normal" varieties or even the
"Banded" form have any pigmentation on their petioles under
normal conditions (Please see previously included colour
photocopies of the "Banded" and "Normal" forms). So clearly
colouration whether it be on the interior or even the exterior of
the lamina of these plants is irrelevant when determining
whether or not new varieties fall into the "All Red Petioled"
category.

Mr. Mansell's "Royal Red" variety does indeed fall into this
category although it is not strictly "All Red" as is mentioned on
page 16 and even depicted by the photograph on page 19 of the
Plant Varieties Journal, Volume 7, No. 2, June 1994 since the
lamina of a typical "Royal Red" plant possesses a band of
"green" non-anthocyanin pigmented tissue around the periphery
of the lamina at the intersection of the marginal teeth. This
feature is similarly displayed by one of the "All Red Petioled"
varieties being grown and offered for sale by Mr. Colin Clayton
of Dingley Home & Garden, Victoria, Australia. The previously
supplied evidence and Statutory Declaration made by Mr.
Stephen Jackson suggests that Mr. Mansell's "Royal Red"
variety is genetically related to and most probably derived from,
this particular "All Red Petioled" variety being cultivated by Mr.
Clayton and a number of Victorian Carnivorous Plant Society
members since its introduction by Mr. Stephen Jackson from
America in the late 1970s. This suggestion easily accounts for
the apparent phenotypic similarity i.e. they are all derived from
the same source.

The comparative trial designed by Dr. Charles Clarke was ill
conceived since both the "normal" and "Royal Red" varieties
used in the trial contain a degree of "green" and "red"
colouration. Only a true "Albino" Dionaea plant (Please see
colour photocopy of plant grown by Thomas Kane Hayes)
should be used in such a comparison experiment however this
approach still would not be stringent enough to be statistically
acceptable. The trial should have used known Albino plants and
the categorisation should have focused on whether the petioles
of plants picked at random had any degree of colouration and
the amount of colouration scored against previously determined
standards.

We have provided photographic evidence of a chance "All Red
Petioled" seedling from America that also possesses green
laminal margins at the intersection of the marginal teeth as well
as a photograph of a mature plant with similar appearance
extracted from Hampstead, North Carolina by Mr. Thomas
Kane Hayes. This evidence suggests that Mr. Mansell's plant is
not unique since similar plants can and have been documented
as occurring as chance seedlings in mass germination
programmes and is similar to known natural varieties and in
particular very similar to a natural variety from Hampstead,
North Carolina.

We ask the Question - "Is the lack of green laminal margins at
the intersection of the marginal teeth sufficient grounds to class
true "All Red", "All Red Petioled" varieties as varieties distinct
from Mr. Mansell's "Royal Red" variety especially when there is
so much doubt as to the true source of Mr. Mansell's variety?!

Mr. Mansell should be able to show photographic evidence of
his chance "All Red Petioled" seedling as Thomas Kane Hayes
has done. He should also be able to display photographs of his
pollination procedure and planned breeding programme since
page 17 of the June issue of the Plant Varieties Journal
mentions that at least three successive self pollinations were
used to produce this variety. By the evidence provided on the
ecology of Dionaea by Oosting and Roberts (See Appendix A)
we calculate that Mr. Mansell's chance seedling would have
taken approximately two years to reach maturity in order to be,
as he states, self pollinated. The resulting plants from these
seeds would by our calculations take at least one year even by
accelerated tissue culture techniques to reach maturity so that
they in turn could be self pollinated. Mr. Mansell should
therefore be able to show evidence, preferable photographic, of a
breeding programme lasting at least four years. The above is of
course compounded by the fact that Dionaea is known to display
dichogamy since these plants possess protandrous flowers where
the anthers produce pollen before the stigma becomes receptive.
Therefore self-pollination is extremely difficult and outbreeding
is the norm. One therefore has to refridgerate pollen and
transfer it later to receptive stigmas to produce an adequate
chance of successful pollination and seed production. It is
therefore far easier to cross pollinate plants in the Genus
Dionaea. If this was the case why was this important point not
brought to the attention of readers of Volume 7 of the Plant
Varieties Journal? Such a pollination would easily explain the
similarity of Mr. Mansell's variety to that of Mr. Clayton's and
the others dispersed within Victoria.

I trust notice of our objection to Dionaea "Royal Red":
Application No. 93/069 will be placed in the September issue of
the Plant Varieties Journal, Volume 7, No. 3 so that members of
the Plant community other than those who cultivate
Carnivorous Plant may be informed of our reasons for objecting
to Mr. Mansells application for a grant of Plant Variety Rights
and will be able to request copies of our supporting documents
and further choose whether or not to support our objection by
tending their own submissions.

Yours sincerely,

RICHARD DAVION (TILBROOKE)

ENCS.

STEVE CLEMESHA
LOT 6 SKINNER
CLOSE
AVOCADO HEIGHTS
WOOLGOOLGA, NSW
2456

20th May 1994

RE The PVR application for
the all red forms of the
Venus Fly Trap (Dionaea muscipula)
by Mr Geoff Mansell

Dear Sir,
I wish to object to the application for PVR rights to
be applied to all red forms of Venus Fly Trap.

This is a very variable species of plant in length of
the leaf stalk and in the degree of pigmentation the plant
carries. Some plants are more heavily pigmented in cooler times
of the year than in mid summer.

I have seen all red variants in the collection of Mr.
Ian English before his collection was burnt in a bushfire & I
also have seen plants that were propagated from them in the
collection of my friend Mr David Banks.

The plants Mr English had were raised from a large
batch of seed of the species that Mr English imported from its
native country (U.S.A.) the all red plants were simply the
darkest plants in this batch of thousands of seedlings.
Seedlings of Venus fly traps I have raised from my
own plants vary enormously & if I raise enough it is possible &
likely such a variant would appear.
As the all red forms of the Venus fly trap are natural
occuring variants & are in the possesion of people other than Mr
Mansell the plant should not be covered by PVR as it is not a
variant that Mr Mansell has developed. I have no knowledge of
where he obtained his plants.
Yours sincerely,
Steve Clemesha

Peter Pauls Nurseries
Canandaigua. NY 14424
USA
6/22/94

Dear Mr. Davion,

We have been growing the RED VENUS FlyTRap plants and
selling them for over9 years. The plants are solid red(shade
varies to almost black or maroon.).
These plants were discovered in plants grown from bulbs
collected in the wild.

Respectfully,

J. Pietropaolo

ATLANTA BOTANICAL
GARDEN
June 13, 1994

Mr. Richard Davion (Tilbrooke)
GPO Box 248
ADELAIDE SA 5001

Dear Mr. Tilbrooke,

I am writing in response to a document passed along to me
by Ron Determann here at the Atlanta Botanical Garden. After
spending several years operating a carnivorous plants nursery in
North Carolina ("Hungry Plants"), I am now at the Atlanta
Botanical Garden co-curating the carnivorous plant collection
with Ron.

While your intention to challenge the Plant Variety Rights
for the "Red" flytrap is clear and we think well justified, it was
not clear just what you wanted us to do. I assume you may want
to know any experiences we have had with the plant in hopes
that it would further help your case. At this point, it may be too
late, as it appears you have submitted your documents and we
apologize for any inconvenience caused by a delay on our part.
For what it's worth, here is our statement for the record:
It is our opinion that the "All Red" form of Dionaea
muscipula is a unique plant that has been grown in several
countries for at least 5-10 years. While the intensity of the
colour does vary with environmental conditions, we believe that
there are genetics at work and that plants are therefore,
genetically predisposed to being "All Red." We have known of
this plant from several people here in the United States such as
Dr. Larry Mellichamp. Jim Pietropaulo, and Peter D'Amato and
Bill McLaughlin, among other private collectors. To the best of
our knowledge, the plant we grow here at the Atlanta Botanical
garden originated from field collected bulbs imported to Holland
by Mr. T.J.J. deGroot of Cresco. It was sent back to the states
and circulated among Botanical gardens. We believe that Plant
Variety Rights for this plant should not be awarded to anyone,
as it is already spread about in cultivation in many countries.
We suggest that the best way to gain any type of exclusivity on
the marketing of this particular plant (eg. "cornering the
market") be accomplished by extensive mass propagation by an
individual(s) and not by awarding any official patent rights.

I hope that this information is useful and apologize for the delay
in responding. Please send us your e-mail address if possible.
Also, we would be interested in a copy of your complete
proposal to The Registrar, Plant Variety Rights Office, etc. if
possible. Incidentally, we currently grow several different forms
of Dionaea with varied leaf shapes and sizes. We are interested
in obtaining information from other growers who have unusual
forms. Many thanks in advance and good luck in your
endeavors. Please contact us if you require more information.
My compuserve e-mail address is :
74002.1371@compuserve.com

Sincerely,

Ron Gagliardo
Greenhouse Assistant

I, Stephen Noel Jackson

do solemnly and sincerely declare THAT I AM THE STEPHEN
JACKSON PREVIOUSLY OF 478 MITCHAM ROAD
MITCHAM, VICTORIA, MENTIONED IN THE
"OBJECTION TO P.V.R. LICENCE 069/93, ROYAL RED",
LODGED BY MR R.D TILBROOKE ON MAY 26, 1994.

I HAVE BEEN A COMMERCIAL GROWER OF VENUS FLY
TRAPS SINCE 1975.

I WISH TO CONFIRM THAT I IMPORTED
APPROXIAMATELY 250 GRAMS OF WILD COLLECTED
VENUS FLY TRAP SEED, I BELIEVE FROM MR DONALD
SCHNELL OF THE U.S.A.
THIS IMPORT TOOK PLACE BETWEEN 1978 AND 1980.

100,000 SEEDS WERE GERMINATED, AND FROM THESE
SEEDLINGS, FOUR COLOUR VARIANTS WERE NOTED,
INCLUDING A NUMBER OF ALL RED PETIOLED/ RED
TRAPPED PLANTS.

THE SEEDLINGS WERE GROWN ON FOR TWO YEARS
AND PORTIONS OF THEM SOLD ON THE WHOLESALE
MARKET UP UNTIL 1986, WHEN MY BUSINESS, AND
REMAINING STOCK, WERE SOLD TO MR GORDON
CHEERS OF VICTORIA. THREE "ALL RED" VENUS FLY
TRAPS WERE ALSO DONATED TO NUNAWADING
COUNCIL, VIC. AT THIS TIME.

I HAVE INSPECTED MR MANSELL'S "ALL RED" PLANTS
AND FIND THEM VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE THAT
RESULTED FROM THE SEED IMPORTED FROM MR
DONALD SCHNELL BETWEEN 1978 AND 1980.

Signed - S. Jackson

And I make this solemn declaration conscientiously believing
the same to be true and by virtue of the provisions of "The Oaths
Act, 1936."

Declared and subscribed at EARLVILLE in the State of
Queensland this day of JULY FOURTEETH 1994 before me

Signed by Commissioner of Declarations (signiture illegible)

Stamped with Commissioner for Declarations : Department of
Justice and Attorney-General Seal & Registration No. 5792

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International Prefix 61 3 21.7.94

Dear Sir,

I hereby lodge an objection to:

DIONAEA "ROYAL RED" : APPLICATION NO. 93/069

on the grounds that it is not a new variety, but one that has been
around for many years. This has been demonstrated to you by
the information supplied by mr. Richard Davion (Tilbrooke).

As a commercial grower of Dionaea muscipula (Venus Fly
Traps) for approximately 15 years, my business including
breeding program and export trade would be severely damaged
if this application for P.V.R. is granted.

My credentials can be checked with the following businesses
and organisations:

Mr. Brian Denton, Secretary, Australian Carnivorous Plant
Society Inc.,
P.O. Box 391, St. Agnes, S.A. 5097
Tel. (08) 264 5974 (AH), (08) 303 5507 (BH)

Mr. Bernie Walker, Nursery Link, 104 Lauriston Drive,
Coldstream, Vic,
3770. Tel. 7391760

Mr. Geoff Roberts, G. & G. Carnivores, P.O. Box 129, Gin
Gin, Qld, 4671.
Tel. 071 572 644

I have enclosed a cheque for $200.00 to register my objection.

Yours sincerely,


Colin H. Clayton

Claydepel Nominees Pty. Ltd. (A.C.N. 005 740769) trading
as DINGLEY FERN MARKET
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