Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:18:02 -0700 From: "Gordon C. Snelling" <mrmacophyl@southwest.net> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com Message-Id: <aabcdefg1462$foo@default> Subject: ants
a couple of reasons the ants are "killing the fly trap leaves
1. they may just plain be too much for them to handle . it is not unusual
for a trap leave to die after being fed an excessively large meal,
2 they may indeed be somewhat toxic, a great many ants contain large
amounts of formic acid as a defense against predators . without knowing
what type of ants are being used it is hard to say, if this is the cause or
not, but "large ants" leads me to me to suspect something like carpenter
ants genus Camponotus.
these are have a very high acid content, and it is often strong enough to
cause mild skin burns.
I have fed small ants to my flytraps on past occasions with no ill effect.
Gordon C. Snelling
----------
> From: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <cp@opus.hpl.hp.com>
> Subject: CP digest 1052
> Date: Tuesday, April 15, 1997 4:44 PM
>
> CP Digest 1052
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: Cindy's bog with Byblis
> by dave evans <T442119@RUTADMIN.RUTGERS.EDU>
> 2) Re: D. linearis, D. prolifera cultivation
> by dave evans <T442119@RUTADMIN.RUTGERS.EDU>
> 3) Re: VFTs and slugs
> by Ron Lane <rl7329@sprynet.com>
> 4) "French connection"
> by zunino@cri.univ-poitiers.fr
> 5) Advice for a preschool show of cp
> by Steven_I._Lanham@mailhost.bridge.com (Steven I. Lanham)
> 6) Re: VFT Food!
> by "Carl Strohmenger (HSC)" <cstrohme@com1.med.usf.edu>
> 7) Subscribe to list
> by Brian Cooley <cooley@golden.adams.net>
> 8) ants
> by cheng <chinying@cyberway.com.sg>
> 9) local
> by cheng <chinying@cyberway.com.sg>
> 10) my venus flytrap dying too
> by cheng <chinying@cyberway.com.sg>
> 11) RE: Soil PH
> by "Mellard, David" <dam7@ATSDHA1.EM.CDC.GOV>
> 12) Re: Advice for a preschool show of cp
> by "Kathleen M. Heldreth - Biologist" <HELDRETH@ESALP1.EMAIL.DUPONT.COM>
> 13) Skeletal Revision of Nepenthes
> by "Madeleine Groves" <M.Groves@lion.rbgkew.org.uk>
> 14) Re: Advice for a preschool show of cp
> by Oliver T Massey CFS <massey@hal.fmhi.usf.edu>
> 15) Re: D. capensis
> by Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
> 16) CP Advice
> by "Divis, Bob" <E16911@lttsvr4.ltec.com>
> 17) Re: ants
> by Lumraptor <lumraptr@indy.net>
> 18) VFT Food
> by Rene Caldera <Rene@compuserve.com>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 1
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 19:43 EDT
> From: dave evans <T442119@RUTADMIN.RUTGERS.EDU>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: Re: Cindy's bog with Byblis
> Message-ID: <199704142348.AA265791723@hplms26.hpl.hp.com>
>
> > From: "Sarver.Cindy V3I" <sarver.cindy@SSDGWY.MDC.COM>
> >
> > Could you elaborate? I've never grown Byblis, although I've wanted
to try
> > some (I think they're gorgeous). If I make the mound as you're
described,
> > should I try putting in a wick of some type to keep it moist? And a
proposed
> > ratio for sand:peat? How do I keep the mound from flattening? Sounds
like a
> > neat addition, to me... I'm also thinking of sinking a small undrained
tub for
> > some aquatic Utrics (which seem to outgrow whatever container I put
them in
> > inside).
>
> Hi Cindy,
>
> I don't think I can really elaborate about the Byblis, since
> I don't have much experience growing it, but perhaps someone (Tom H?)
> could help with how much water it likes... If they like fairly wet,
> then you could just use three or more patio blocks to shore up a
> 1:1 <maybe 1:2> (peat:sand) mix. Set it so that it holds the
> soil inside at at least four or five inches higher.
> __________________
> // | \\ <= Higher ground (this is how I grow
> // Bog | \\ hardy Pinguicula)
> | |_______\272 <--= patio block wall
> | \272
> | \272 The highest point is furthest from
the
> | \272 egde of the bog , so it slopes
toward
> \\ // you.
> \\__________________//
>
>
> If they like it drier, I would just plant them in pots or whatever
> else they might like...
>
> The Utrics might be done by sinking 5 gallon buckets into the
> bog, but you could grow them in these out of bog too (just don't
> let them fry in the summer heat and sun.) They would be more
> protected in the bog, but you would need change the water either
> way. If you did put the buckets in the bog, you might want to
> put a hole in the bottom of the bucket so when it rains, the
> water filters out through the hole and you don't have to change
> the water (just poor water into it).
>
>
> Dave Evans
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 2
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 20:59 EDT
> From: dave evans <T442119@RUTADMIN.RUTGERS.EDU>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: Re: D. linearis, D. prolifera cultivation
> Message-ID: <199704150105.AA279186304@hplms26.hpl.hp.com>
>
> > Have any growers had much success with D. linearis in an acid medium?
If not,
> > how do you alkalinize (?) the media. Any other germination/cultural
> > information ... growth cycle, temperatures, light, etc. would be much
> > appreciated.
>
> I would add some vermicullite to the soil, just to knock the acidity
> back some. They should do fine like that.
>
> > With the D. prolifera, it seems I have two choices ... grow it as D.
adelae
> > (pure, long-fiber sphagnum) or as D. schizandra (90/10
perlite/sphagnum). Any
> > suggestions?
>
> All three can be grown together in the same conditions. Keep them wet,
> avoid lots of heat and use dimmer (for CP's, anyway) light.
>
> Dave Evans
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 3
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:55:18 -0400
> From: Ron Lane <rl7329@sprynet.com>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: Re: VFTs and slugs
> Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970414201312.006b5370@m7.sprynet.com>
>
> I also have had mediocre success with feeding slugs to vft's - some just
> slime their way out. This past summer, I had an abundance of wasps and
> yellow jackets (small jobs) so I started feeding them to the vft's.
Several
> chewed holes in the traps before succumbing and one managed to get out
> through his chewed hole. They don't give up w/o a fight.
> Ron
>
> At 09:43 AM 4/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >I have also tried to feed slugs to my VFTs. However, I have to be very
> >careful as they can often crawl right out of the trap, perhaps thanks to
> >their slimey nature! I have also tried feeding moth catepillars to a
VFT
> >and have had them crew their way out of the trap!
> >
> >Insect's revenge?
> >
> >
> >--STEVE
> >
> Ron Lane
> RL7329@sprynet.com
> Central NJ, USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 4
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:50:03 +0200 (MET DST)
> From: zunino@cri.univ-poitiers.fr
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: "French connection"
> Message-ID: <199704150950.LAA00748@hermes.univ-poitiers.fr>
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's my first message on CP discussion group and also sorry for my non
> academic english.
> My question :
> Do you know if a multimedia project about CP (Pictures, taxonomic keys,
> descriptions, ...) exist ?
> May be it's interesting to make a compilation (on CD-ROM) of CP's
pictures
> in natural habitat ?
> Idea about this topic are welcome on my e-mail.
>
> Also I write (4/year) a little "Revue de Presse" (News about book) in
> French Supplement Dion=E9e (French CP group). For this all informations=
> about
> new books or articles interesting me.
>
>
> Thank-you
>
> Fabien ZUNINO
> Laboratoire de Chimie XII
> UMR 6514 "Synth=E8se & R=E9activit=E9 des Substances Naturelles"
> Facult=E9 des Sciences - 40 av. du Recteur Pineau - 86022 Poitiers Cedex
-=
> FRANCE
>
> tel 05 49 45 37 02
> FAX 05 49 45 35 01
> e-mail zunino@hermes.univ-poitiers.fr
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 5
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:51:21 -0700
> From: Steven_I._Lanham@mailhost.bridge.com (Steven I. Lanham)
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: Advice for a preschool show of cp
> Message-ID: <00007DD8.3137@ccmail.bridge.com>
>
> Hi I need some pointers on showing CP you see my son's
> preschool has asked me to do a "Show and tell" on CP. I plan
> on taking VFTs a D.capenesis D.intermedia and a S.purpurea.
> The game plan is put some fishfood on the D.capenesis put it
> aside show the VFTs feed it a bug let them put fingers and
> or tooth picks to set off the traps explain how that works.
> Then show the S.purpurea and explain how it works then go
> back to the capenesis and show them how it has slowly moved.
> If anyone has ANY experience with school shows and has any
> pointers for me on my very first show please let my know.
> The kids will all be age 5 or 4
> Thanks Steve Lanham
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 6
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 05:54:08 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Carl Strohmenger (HSC)" <cstrohme@com1.med.usf.edu>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <cp@opus.hpl.hp.com>
> Subject: Re: VFT Food!
> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970415054905.29998A-100000@com1>
>
>
> Various people wrote:
>
> > > Rene,
> > > Try cutting up the slug and feeding several VFTs at a time. This
way,
> > > the slug will not craw out of the trap.
> > > Charles
> > *********************************
> > I just gotta say this sounds pretty gross....blah!
> >
> > John in Phoenix
> >
>
> I do this all the time with grasshoppers. Cutting them in half reduces
> the size ofthe foodstuff to a size that the VFTs and smaller pitchers can
> handle while removing a nuisance pest from my yard. Of course, I've had
> neighbors approach me and ask what I am doing as I go around the yard
> with a plastic bag 'harvesting' my crop of grasshoppers. So far nobody
> has called in the psychiatric workers.
>
> - Carl
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 7
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 06:57:25 -0500
> From: Brian Cooley <cooley@golden.adams.net>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: Subscribe to list
> Message-ID: <33536D25.629D@mail.adams.net>
>
> Could someone please tell me what I need to do to subscribe to this
> list? I apologize for sending a note out to the whole list but this was
> the only address that I had. Thanks.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 8
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:32:49 +0800
> From: cheng <chinying@cyberway.com.sg>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: ants
> Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970415123249.006a4ae0@cyberway.com.sg>
>
> i feed my VFT with huge big ants.
> They eat but die later
> any one know why
> help
> jamie
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 9
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:32:50 +0800
> From: cheng <chinying@cyberway.com.sg>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: local
> Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970415123250.00673b78@cyberway.com.sg>
>
> any singaporean cp grower i hunger for someone near to share information
and
> exchange plants
> jamie
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 10
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:35:04 +0800
> From: cheng <chinying@cyberway.com.sg>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: my venus flytrap dying too
> Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970415123504.00699940@cyberway.com.sg>
>
> >
> >
> >i am so worried for my venus fly trap
> >same case
> >small traps are turning black before fully grown
> >i feel the big one with big ants
> >this is singapore and we have hot sun & i add plenty of rain water
> >i am so worried for my flytrap
> >tell me how long you have yours please
> >jamie
> >15/4
> >7.52
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 11
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 08:59:00 EST
> From: "Mellard, David" <dam7@ATSDHA1.EM.CDC.GOV>
> To: "'CP List'" <cp@opus.hpl.hp.com>
> Subject: RE: Soil PH
> Message-ID: <33530C3F@SmtpOut.em.cdc.gov>
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> They would survive only if the soil remained moist all year. The D.
> capillaris would be killed by frost but seeds would come up the next
year.
> Do you know the depth to groundwater? If it's only a few feet you might
be
> lucky and have a natural bog area that is likely to remain moist all
year.
> You could ask your county extension agent if you live the US. They
would
> know the depth to groundwater.
>
> David
> ----------
> From: Paul V. McCullough
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Soil PH
> Date: Tuesday, April 08, 1997 10:05PM
>
> Here's an interesting situation- I just tested the soil PH in my
> backyard with one of those little kits available at most plant and home
> stores, and the PH level of my own backyard is about 5.5 to 5.0 (more
> like 5.0, officially an acid soil). As a further test I tested some
> potting soil which showed up as 6.5 to 7 (more like 6.5)- almost neutral
> to very slightly alkaline. My backyard is an old pine forest (I don't
> know if any bogs exist back there but I doubt it- there are no real
> lakes or ponds.) and the soil is a rich loam of rotting pine needles. I
> wonder how a S. purpurea or D. capillaris would do if they were planted
> directly in the soil- or more likely in a hollow filled with peat moss
> directly into the soil? Anyone ever try this? I'm still thinking of
> doing a safe bog set up, but this other idea would be a heck of a lot
> easier.
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
> --
> Paul V. McCullough
> http://www.voicenet.com/~pvmcull
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 12
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:06:29 -0500 (EST)
> From: "Kathleen M. Heldreth - Biologist"
<HELDRETH@ESALP1.EMAIL.DUPONT.COM>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: Re: Advice for a preschool show of cp
> Message-ID: <01IHQAVVI87M8Y5VSI@smtp-gw1.email.dupont.com>
>
> Steve;
>
> I'd take a bunch of sensitive plants (Mimosa pudica) with me if I
> were doing the demonstration for preschoolers. Explain that they are not
> 'carnivorous plants', but they do react to outside stimulus. And they do
> it very quickly. These plants will save the wear and tear on your VFT's.
>
> Start a whole package of M. pudica seeds and leave a plant for each
> student as a gift, or leave a few specimens for the classroom. A
constant
> reminder encourages the students to try growing these plants as opposed
to
> a single, one-hour demonstration.
>
> 'Trap' them young!
> Kathleen Heldreth
> Newark, DE. USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 13
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:39:25 +0000
> From: "Madeleine Groves" <M.Groves@lion.rbgkew.org.uk>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: Skeletal Revision of Nepenthes
> Message-ID: <199704151437.PAA02479@lion.rbgkew.org.uk>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Skeletal Revision of Nepenthes: Reprints.
>
> By the 14th April (the closing date for orders as advertised in CP
> Digest 1044), I received requests from the following for reprints and
> an order has now been placed with the printer. Please watch this
> space in May for information on payment and postage. It is regretted
> that no further orders can be taken.
> Sue Brodie
>
> Andreas Wistuba (5 copies), Bruce Salmon (3), Maciej Hempel (1),
> Kevin Snively (3), Joseph isyyeo (1), Zachery (1), Danny Joel (1),
> Jean DeWitte (1), Eric Schlosser (1), John McChesney-young (3), Wim
> Leys (1), Koudela (1), Andrew Hall (2), Dr Fabien Zunino (2), Shing
> Lam (1), Chuck Powell (1), Guido J. Braem (1), Marlis & Denis Merbach
> (1), Ted De Witt (1), Al Bickell (1), Alastair Robinson (1), Tim
> Williams (1), Lance Jerale (1), Dr Jan Schlauer (1), Perry Malouf
> (1), Davin S. George (1), Joe Mullins (2), Chris Frazier (1), Bob
> McMorris (1)
>
> Thank you for your enthusiastic response!!
>
> Sorry about the spelling.
>
> Sue (e-mail number S.Brodie@rbgkew.org.uk)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 14
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Oliver T Massey CFS <massey@hal.fmhi.usf.edu>
> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com
> Subject: Re: Advice for a preschool show of cp
> Message-ID: <199704151441.KAA00225@hal.fmhi.usf.edu>
>
>
> > Hi I need some pointers on showing CP you see my son's
> > preschool has asked me to do a "Show and tell" on CP. I plan
> > on taking VFTs a D.capenesis D.intermedia and a S.purpurea.
> > The game plan is put some fishfood on the D.capenesis put it
> > aside show the VFTs feed it a bug let them put fingers and
> > or tooth picks to set off the traps explain how that works.
> > Then show the S.purpurea and explain how it works then go
> > back to the capenesis and show them how it has slowly moved.
> > If anyone has ANY experience with school shows and has any
> > pointers for me on my very first show please let my know.
> > The kids will all be age 5 or 4
> > Thanks Steve Lanham
>
> I have done this with older kids in classes several times, typically for
6th
> graders. I usually begin with a little simple information such as the
idea
> behind passive, semi-active, and active traps and explain how they go
about
> attracting prey. After 10 minutes or so I go on to show them plants and
let
> them trip the VFTs and touch the sundews (D. filiformis is good because
it has
> so much dew). I also cut open a tall Sarr. tube and surprise- show them
all
> the dead bugs that have been eaten. They are usually a little slow to
touch
> the plants at first, but after one brave soul does it, everybody wants
to.
>
> Tom in Fl.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 15
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:22:02 -0400
> From: Chris Marsden <Byway@compuserve.com>
> To: Broadcast List Server <cp@opus.hpl.hp.com>
> Subject: Re: D. capensis
> Message-ID: <199704151322_MC2-1456-A1C4@compuserve.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> >Heh. I hear that the lab types are somehow grinding up D. capensis (and
> >others) and spreading the mash on nutrient agar in flasks: so to grow
more
> >plants.
>
> I can't imagine this would work with many other plants than D. capensis.
> Oh, and before all those TCers on the list grind up their Nepenthes
leaves
> to try and grow ten thousand N. merilliana... this method would (I
imagine)
> only work with in vitro plantlets, because any other plant would be
> contaminated (can you imagine surface sterilising D. capensis 'mash'?).
>
> > _Why_ would anyone want to do this with capensis? It does so well
> >on its own.
>
> Well these lab types aren't doing it for their own collection... so they
> are trying to flog millions of them to home depots over the USA. And D.
> capensis does look very nice to unwary members of the public...
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Toby Marsden
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 16
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 15:47:00 DST
> From: "Divis, Bob" <E16911@lttsvr4.ltec.com>
> To: CPLIST <cp@opus.hpl.hp.com>
> Subject: CP Advice
> Message-ID: <3353E911@ENGGTY.ALIANT.COM>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
> My name is Bob Divis and I've been following this list for about a
year
> now. Although I've communicated with some members of this list , this is
> the first time I've posted a general message. I am a Telecommunications
> Engineer for the local phone company and I live in Wahoo, Nebraska
> ( Yes, the home office of the David Letterman Show). I was first
introduced
> to carnivorous plants several years ago when I lived in Chicago. I tried
to
> raise VFT's , a Sundew , a Ping and a Darlingtonia, all growing in a ten
> gallon aquarium in Sphagnum Moss and Perlite over Aquarium Gravel
> and Charcoal. I used Grow-Lux lights on a timer for my light source. I
> watered with tap water (Lake Michigan treated water) left standing for 24
> hours and although my VFT's never turned red inside of the traps all the
> plants seemed to do OK; that is for the growing season anyway. I never
> knew about dormancy and I wound up killing my poor CP's by keeping
> them too moist and causing root rot.
> That was it for me until I found this list and thanks to all of you
I
> have
> now been successful in raising some VFT's ( I've even harvested seed
> from my plants and have baby VFT's growing) and also two Sarracenia
> Flava's (Hoping for fertile seed from one of them this year). I have all
my
> cp's in a South facing grow window in pots sitting in trays of water
> (distilled) and
> they have been extremely happy ! I use a 50/50 mix of siica sand and
peat.
> I visited my local Earl May ( franchised garden center) and bought,
> according to the plant labels, a Nepenthes Madagascariensis,
> a Purple Pitcher and a Sundew for $4.50 apiece. The labels had
> "Little Shop of Horrors" written on them as well as "this plant was
> propogated from tissue culture". I think the Sundew is D. Capensis.
> I'm going to need help at my attempt in raising these newcomers
> to my cp collection. I removed all of the plants from their small domed
> pots and replanted the Purple Pitcher and Sundew in a 50/50 sand,
> peat moss mix just like my existing VFT's and Flavas. I have them in
> pots sitting in a water tray with full Southern exposure . will this be
OK?
> If not, how shall I treat them ?
> The Nepenthes I replanted in a 1/3 sand, peat moss, orchid bark
> mix in a well drained pot. Should I place the Nep in the Southern
> exposure window ? Is it OK to leave it in the open or should it be
covered
> and placed in an aquarium ( I would rather not)? Is the soil mix OK?
> Thanks in advance for your help and thank you for this list !
>
> Happy Growing !
>
> Bob Divis
> bdivis@aliant.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 17
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:59:28 -0500 (EST)
> From: Lumraptor <lumraptr@indy.net>
> To: cheng <chinying@cyberway.com.sg>
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <cp@opus.hpl.hp.com>
> Subject: Re: ants
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970415175814.19921A-100000@indy1>
>
> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, cheng wrote:
>
> > i feed my VFT with huge big ants.
> > They eat but die later
> > any one know why
> > help
> > jamie
> >
>
> Some ants are toxic to plants and animals. I would try another type
> of insect.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
>
> "Life is light that shines in the Darkness"
>
> Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 18
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:29:50 -0400
> From: Rene Caldera <Rene@compuserve.com>
> To: CP <cp@opus.hpl.hp.com>
> Subject: VFT Food
> Message-ID: <199704151930_MC2-144A-9CB0@compuserve.com>
>
> > Rene,
> > Try cutting up the slug and feeding several VFTs at a time. This
> way,
> > the slug will not craw out of the trap.
> > Charles
>
> Next thing you'll be telling me to season it with a little salt.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of CP Digest 1052
> *********************
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