Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:14:42 -0400 From: "Paul V. McCullough" <pvmcull@voicenet.com> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com Message-Id: <aabcdefg3054$foo@default> Subject: Multiple responses...
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To Loyd Wix:
Loyd wrote-
> regarding your tentative ID of your Pings, I would be very
> surprised if your plant is P.l.ssp.reichenbachiana. As you
> are in the Northern Hemisphere (I think) this plant would
> have flowered in the spring and certainly not at this time
> of the year when most European species are starting to form
> hibernacula.
>
On the other hand, there's no telling how many times this plant's
clock got reset- factors too numerous to mention can cause a plant to
flower in the wrong season. Also, this particular ssp of longifolia
looks identical to those pictures I referred to...
Also, I only bought this butterwort about a month ago (at a Home
Depot) so I don't know it's growth history.
> This species and also P.crystallina are not widely grown
> plants and comparatively few CPers specialise in these
> European plants. They are not the easiest of plants to keep
> alive unless you are able to cater for their requirements,
> so I would not have thought you would find them at your
> local garden centre or general store.
>
The supplier to Home Depot seems to have CP varieties from all over
the world- who knows what they have access to... just because it seems
unlikely, doesn't mean its impossible. As for ease of keeping alive,
the P. longifolia seems to be thriving while the p. crystallina (my
original Mutt Ping) seems to always be struggling.
> Your plants are
> probably Mexicans, perhaps as Jan suggested one of the
> relatively common species such as P.agnata or possibly a
> hybrid involving this species. I have grown many hybrids
> involving P.agnata (e.g. P.agnata X P.hemiepiphytica,
> P.agnata X P.zecherii) these tend to have the white throated
> flowers often with a yellow patch and darker colouration to
> the edges of the petals.
>
Perhaps this is of the Agnata family- I can't find any pictures of
the leaves to determine this; I can say that the agnata flower depicted
on Rick Walker's page is not at all like the flower I see in shape, or
color. As for the crystallina ID, it's the only butterwort I've ever
seen that looks like my Mutt- the traps are pear shaped, with the small
end at the center and the large round on the outside. None of the other
butterworts even comes close. I have taken pictures of the P.
longifolia ssp reichenbachiana (tent ID), and as soon as I can, I'll let
the list know. Thank you for your help, Loyd! Gosh- I hope they aren't
hybrids! :)
Jay Lechtman wrote:
> As with most CP I've seen in the wild, D. filiformis seems to thrive in a
> wide variety of environmental conditions, from the high dry ground you noted
> to
> the black, waterlogged muck in which I've always seen them growing in New
> Jersey.
>
Interesting. I wonder why then that this particular d. filiformis
(NJ) had an obvious dislike of growing in the water? Even the Park
Staffer said that this was true. Could the water have some chemical
present that filiformis finds abhorrent? For instance, at this bog, d.
intermedia and d. rotundifolia were all in the water or at the water
edge, while not a single filiformis was- we walked around an entire
pond, too! The filiformis was right in the dirt path far (by planty
standards) from the water.
Jay, could you send me a private email where you saw d. filiformis
growing in the water? I'd be interested in comparing and contrasting
the two different growing situations. Also, were the filiformis traps
longer then 6"? These were very short (as I stated in the prev post) -
4 to 6"... also the plants had a saguaro cactus like look- straight
threadlike leaves but jutting up pretty strongly to the sky. Not at all
like the long wispy and weak leaves I've seen in photos. Thanks for the
comments, Jay! btw- I took photos of these, too.
On a different note, I forgot to mention in my last posting that all
of the sundew varieties had flower scapes at the same stage of
development, just past blooming. This makes me wonder how often natural
hybrids are formed. For instance, I saw some tiny bright red sundews
with intermedia shaped traps, that were growing flat to the ground in
rosettes- more like rotundifolia. Since these were immature plants (I
think...) they may not represent what the final plant will look like-
but my baby intermedia sprouted out of the ground looking just like a
miniature version of the adult intermedias.
This is a great place to see CP in nature!
Cheers,
Paul
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<HTML> To Loyd Wix: <BR>Loyd wrote- <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE>regarding your tentative ID of your Pings, I would be very surprised if your plant is P.l.ssp.reichenbachiana. As you are in the Northern Hemisphere (I think) this plant would have flowered in the spring and certainly not at this time of the year when most European species are starting to form hibernacula.</PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> On the other hand, there's no telling how many times this plant's clock got reset- factors too numerous to mention can cause a plant to flower in the wrong season. Also, this particular ssp of longifolia looks identical to those pictures I referred to... <BR> Also, I only bought this butterwort about a month ago (at a Home Depot) so I don't know it's growth history. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE>This species and also P.crystallina are not widely grown plants and comparatively few CPers specialise in these European plants. They are not the easiest of plants to keep alive unless you are able to cater for their requirements, so I would not have thought you would find them at your local garden centre or general store.</PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> The supplier to Home Depot seems to have CP varieties from all over the world- who knows what they have access to... just because it seems unlikely, doesn't mean its impossible. As for ease of keeping alive, the P. longifolia seems to be thriving while the p. crystallina (my original Mutt Ping) seems to always be struggling. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE>Your plants are probably Mexicans, perhaps as Jan suggested one of the relatively common species such as P.agnata or possibly a hybrid involving this species. I have grown many hybrids involving P.agnata (e.g. P.agnata X P.hemiepiphytica, P.agnata X P.zecherii) these tend to have the white throated flowers often with a yellow patch and darker colouration to the edges of the petals.</PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Perhaps this is of the Agnata family- I can't find any pictures of the leaves to determine this; I can say that the agnata flower depicted on Rick Walker's page is not at all like the flower I see in shape, or color. As for the crystallina ID, it's the only butterwort I've ever seen that looks like my Mutt- the traps are pear shaped, with the small end at the center and the large round on the outside. None of the other butterworts even comes close. I have taken pictures of the P. longifolia ssp reichenbachiana (tent ID), and as soon as I can, I'll let the list know. Thank you for your help, Loyd! Gosh- I hope they aren't hybrids! :) <BR> <BR>Jay Lechtman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE>As with most CP I've seen in the wild, D. filiformis seems to thrive in a wide variety of environmental conditions, from the high dry ground you noted to the black, waterlogged muck in which I've always seen them growing in New Jersey.</PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Interesting. I wonder why then that this particular d. filiformis (NJ) had an obvious dislike of growing in the water? Even the Park Staffer said that this was true. Could the water have some chemical present that filiformis finds abhorrent? For instance, at this bog, d. intermedia and d. rotundifolia were all in the water or at the water edge, while not a single filiformis was- we walked around an entire pond, too! The filiformis was right in the dirt path far (by planty standards) from the water. <BR> Jay, could you send me a private email where you saw d. filiformis growing in the water? I'd be interested in comparing and contrasting the two different growing situations. Also, were the filiformis traps longer then 6"? These were very short (as I stated in the prev post) - 4 to 6"... also the plants had a saguaro cactus like look- straight threadlike leaves but jutting up pretty strongly to the sky. Not at all like the long wispy and weak leaves I've seen in photos. Thanks for the comments, Jay! btw- I took photos of these, too.
<P> On a different note, I forgot to mention in my last posting that all of the sundew varieties had flower scapes at the same stage of development, just past blooming. This makes me wonder how often natural hybrids are formed. For instance, I saw some tiny bright red sundews with intermedia shaped traps, that were growing flat to the ground in rosettes- more like rotundifolia. Since these were immature plants (I think...) they may not represent what the final plant will look like- but my baby intermedia sprouted out of the ground looking just like a miniature version of the adult intermedias. <BR> <BR> This is a great place to see CP in nature!
<P>Cheers, <BR>Paul
<P>-- <BR>Paul V. McCullough <BR>"3D Animation World" <A HREF="http://www.voicenet.com/~pvmcull">http://www.voicenet.com/~pvmcull> <BR>"CP Page" <A HREF="http://www.voicenet.com/~pvmcull/pics/cp/carniv.htm">http://www.voicenet.com/~pvmcull/pics/cp/carniv.htm> <BR> </HTML>
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