Date: 06 Nov 1997 14:53:47 +0100 From: Loyd Wix <Loyd.Wix@unilever.com> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com Message-Id: <aabcdefg4245$foo@default> Subject: Re. U.arenaria/U.livida
          Dear Derick,
          
          >I have a plant that is labeled "U.arenaria" that is now in 
          >the midst of flowering and the flowers look an awful lot 
          >like another plant I have labeled U.livida.
          
          U.livida is a very variable plant showing a wide range of 
          flower shapes and colours. Some of the smaller less brightly 
          coloured forms can bear a resemblance to U.arenaria.
          
          >I'm pretty sure the U.livida has been labelled correctly, 
          as >I have seen this in other people's collections 
          flowering, >and they're the same look, but I've never seen 
          U.arenaria >before, so I'm not sure if this plant looks a 
          lot like >U.livida, has been mislabelled or just invaded by 
          U.livida.
          
          The commonest form of U.livida that I have seen in 
          cultivation in the UK has approximately 1cm oval bi-coloured 
          (white/mauve) flowers. The U.arenaria that I grow has 
          flowers allot narrower than this common clone of U.livida. 
          The over all flower colour is off white with darker mauve 
          markings - superficially the flowers have elements which 
          reminds me of both U.livida and U.sandersonii. 
          
          >The flowers are close enough that I can't really tell any 
          >major differences; it's possible that the U.arenaria has a 
          >slightly longer spur and maybe a little more pointed lower 
          >corolla lip.
          
          According to Taylor the spur in U.arenaria  is longer in 
          comparison with the lower corolla lip than in U.livida, 
          differences also occur in the pedicles but at the moment I 
          have no flowers to compare against.
          
          > The leaves in the pot of U.arenaria were small, ovate 
          >(2-3mm x 4-5mm) dark green leaves very close to the ground. 
          >Lately, it's sent up some slightly longer, narrower, 
          >lighter green leaves that have been a bit more vertical in 
          >growth, but that may just be because they're new leaves.
          
          U.livida typically produces broader leaves than U.arenaria 
          some of which can be 'fan' shaped.
          
          One difference I have noticed in cultivation is that 
          U.arenaria sets plenty of seed without my intervention. The 
          common U.livida clone I mentioned doesn't set seed even when 
          I have attempted to hand pollinate the flowers. However 
          other U.livida plants I grow particularly the attractive 
          blue flower forms will set seed so this observation is not 
          enough to confirm the ID. If possible take some photos of 
          the plants.
          
          I hope this has been of some help.
          
          Kind Regards
          
          Loyd
           
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