Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:50:26 +0100 From: Wim Leys <Wim.Leys@vlm.be> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com Message-Id: <aabcdefg470$foo@default> Subject: Re: Free CP seeds and BG Gent
Hi everybody, especially Guy,
Someone pointed me out that you have send a message to the CP list about
the seeds I am offering to members op the CP Discussion Group.
> That Guy van der Kinderen guy is quite incredible. As I saw on the list he almost suggests that you are a thief in the
> night stealing CP's from the botanical garden in Gent!!! Ignoring him like you did is the best thing to do.
>
Now it's not that I was going to ignore such a message. It's just that
it I've been so busy that I have not had the time to read a pile of
digests.
> purpurea purpurea origin : Botanical Garden Ghent
> (mislabelled, is probably a hybrid between S. purpurea purpurea and S.
>We're still wondering what the value may be to the people who may be
>interested to have these seeds? Or is there another purpose?
I always try to keep the origin of plants with the plant, so if after a
while somebody says, hey, this N. maxima from nursery X is in fact a N.
x idonowhat I can justify the labels on my plants. This plant differs
considerably from my other S. purpurea purpurea's. So I found it
important to point that out to the people. But the plant is (was)
labelled that way by the BG of Ghent and that's where the parent plant
comes from. The flowers were selfed and it generates the same kind of
S. purpurea purpurea like plants, so I am in doubt, is it another
variety or is it an hybrid.
> It has been always the policy of BG Gent to leave the CP collection
> to the concern of CP Society Drosera, namely its board. In the period
> Mr. Leys took or got this plant from BG Gent, he was member of this
> board.
>
This plant was given to me by the former chairman, Freddy De Coninck.
> But it was clear at that time, that certain people where more
> concerned about their own collection, than checking for instance the
> BG collection for possible wrong labels, as they were supposed
> to have some expertise in CP taxonomy.
>
Some other people and I have pointed this questionable naming out to
Freddy, who was in charge of the collection. The fact that this label
may never have changed is not due to the fact that it was not mentioned.
About the fact that "certain people where more concerned about their own
collection", I certainly hope you are not referring to me. As you were
well aware that I was a student or in military service at that time and
that I have spend many many Saturdays working in the CP collection of
the BT garden. It was during one of those times that Freddy gave me this
plant. It took me 2 hours (go and return) by train to get there, and I
had to pay for the train tickets while you lived a couple of miles
away,.
Will you please be so kind to say if I belong to those "certain people"
?
> It was also clear that
> certain people tried to use the Society as an area of distribution
> for their own trades, and BG Gent as a source for it. They still are
> harvesting the seeds of it. Fortunately, times have changed.
>
I totally agree with what you are saying here. As I was the treasurer of
the society I was well aware of who has spend money on what purposes. So
I was also aware of large sums of money that were spend to house people
in hotels. When so many time later those persons showed their gratitude
towards all this generosity, by sending seeds or plants, they all went
straight to one particular collection. When I pointed this out, I was
told that as the letter/package was send to Mister xxx, and not to the
society, he considered all those benefits his own.
Another point. The year after I left the board, I have checked the
overview of the finances of the society. About 85000 Belgian franks (+-
2400 $) was missing. I have said this to the present treasurer. He
assured me that he would check this out and that he would contact me for
further information. Can you tell me what the status of this
investigation is ? I haven't heard of it since. So it seems to me that
"Unfortunately, times have not changed."
Guy, please. I left the society because of all the friction and the
fights. Please, don't start this fighting again on this list. If you
really want to continue this, do it using private e-mail. You could have
done this in the first place.
I won't be able to answer your mails until next Monday.
Kind regards
Wim
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