Date: 26 Mar 1999 13:21:31 Z From: Loyd Wix <Loyd.Wix@unilever.com> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com Message-Id: <aabcdefg943$foo@default> Subject: The Train to Boissey St-Leger + Trade within Europe
          
          Dear All,
          
          many thanks to Gilles for his posting on the Lecoufle 
          nursery. It brought back memories of almost 10 years ago 
          when I spent Easter of 1989 in Paris. Having heard of 
          Lecoufles nursery and realising it was not far from Paris, I 
          too found myself on the train to Boissey St-Leger. Having 
          arrived at their reception I was amazed by the plants 
          although hardly any were CPs just a couple of large 
          Nepenthes if my memory serves me right. There were huge 
          stags horns ferns hanging from the ceiling which were over 
          1m in diameter and loads of orchid.
          
          Speaking to the ladies in the establishment it soon became 
          clear that they knew little about CPs but if I was prepared 
          to wait a while they would find some one who could. Sure 
          enough after about 15 minutes Marcel Lecoufle himself turned 
          up - an elderly gentleman he must have been into his 80's! 
          None the less he was very hospitable and took me through his 
          greenhouses so I got to see plenty of CPs that was a real 
          eye opener back in the late '80s - things like Heliamphora 
          minor, huge Cephalotus and I will always remember row after 
          row of juvenile Sarracenia. His book was also available 
          (French version) and again for the time the photographs were 
          great. All in all I had a very memorable trip back in '89 so 
          thank you Gilles for jogging my memory.
          
          A few year later I understood that Marcels daughters were 
          running the business and their main interest were the 
          orchids. Without the involvement of Marcel himself the CP 
          activities went into decline.  
          
          Andrew Bate wrote:
          
          >Can anyone enlighten me on any restrictions on posting CP's 
          >from the UK to Europe and the US?  I am currently only 
          >sending CP's within the UK but would like to widen my range 
          >of sales but I am unsure on CITES regulations.  If anyone 
          >could clarify the situation for me it would be greatly 
          >appreciated.
          
          Even 10 years ago I was permitted to bring plants back from 
          Lecoufles nursery as I was able to benefit from a concession 
          made by the UK Ministry of Agriculture Food and Fisheries. 
          Prior to '89 I believe you would have needed various paper 
          work, phytosanitary certificates etc even to bring plants in 
           to the UK from our nearest Continental neighbour. As part 
          of the EU arrangements the Dutch and Belgium horticultural 
          industry had complained to Europe that the UKs import 
          controls on plants were harming their industry as British 
          tourists were unable to take plants etc back with them. 
          Under EU pressure a concession was introduced in '89 so as 
          part of your passenger hand luggage you could bring back; 
          2Kg bulbs/tubers, 5 plants or parts of plants, a small 
          bouquet of cut flowers, 2kg of fruit and vegetables (but not 
          potatoes), 5 retail packets of seed. Thus I was able to 
          travel home on the Ferry clutching a box of 5 CPs from 
          Lecoufles without fear from HM Customs.
          
          Fortunately with the Single European Market in 1992 many 
          remaining restrictions on moving plants between EU member 
          states were removed - so now all Europeans CPers (including 
          those in the UK who don't yet consider themselves a part 
          Europe) benefit - so posting many CPs is fine. Trade with 
          the rest of the world is still however subject to many 
          restrictions and controls.  
          
          I am uncertain regarding CITES within Europe as my plant 
          trading exploits have been mainly confined to my chief CP 
          interests of Pinguicula and Utricularia - many of which have 
          been sent all over the EU since 1992.I am not even certain 
          if there is a EU harmonised policy of how internal European 
          trade should be regulated by CITES - perhaps others could 
          comment. Andrew I guess you could contact the DTI or MAFF if 
          you wanted to confirm this with the UK authorities.
          
          Regards
          
          Loyd 
            
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